Background
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Question

Were gay men held in detainment centers in Chechnya in 2017?

08 May, 2017

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Yes:
Yes, gay men were being rounded up in detainment centers in Chechnya.

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No:
No, gay men were not held in detainment centers in Chechnya.

Summary

In early April, 2017, a Russian newspaper, Novaya Gazeta, published a story claiming that men were being held and tortured in detainment centers as part of an anti-gay purge in Chechnya. The facilities in which gay men were reportedly being held have been described as concentration camps and the Holocaust Museum referenced persecution of gays by Nazis, and the reports led to protests around the world. The United States, United Kingdom, and Germany, as well as NGOs like Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International, have called for Russian authorities to investigate the claims. Chechen authorities have called the allegations "lies" and "misinformation," adding that the claims couldn't be true since Chechnya doesn't have any gay residents.

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Analysis

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Starting Point (1 item)

Reports on the purge (5 items)

According to activists and gay men who fled Chechnya, gay men were held in groups in detention facilities, in which they were tortured (electrocuted and beaten) and interrogated for the names of other gay men.
Sources: The Guardian, MailOnline
An interview with a Chechen man who claims he was tortured in a detention center (CNN)
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Yes
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According to Chechens who left the republic, men who were suspected to be gay were held in secret prisons in Argun and Tsotsi-Yurt.
Sources: Radio Liberty
Argun, a town in Chechnya, is located to the east of Chechnya's capital, Grozny
Argun, a town in Chechnya, is located to the east of Chechnya's capital, Grozny
76crimes.com
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Yes
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The Novaya Gazeta, the Russian opposition newspaper that originally reported about the anti-gay purge in Chechnya, had the names of three people who died as a result of the purge.
Sources: The New York Times
Yes
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Yes
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According to activists and gay men who fled Chechnya, Chechen authorities used social media to trick and catch gay men in Chechnya.

Sources: Noveya Gazeta, The Guardian
Yes
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Yes
No
An LGBT group reported an unprecedented rise in the number of gay men trying to leave Chechnya.
Sources: The Independent
Yes
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Yes
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Response to allegations (2 items)

The Novaya Gazeta, which initiated coverage of rounding up of gay men in Chechnya, has faced threats of violence and "retribution."

Sources: The Washington Post, The Guardian
Elena Milashina
Elena Milashina
www.towleroad.com
Yes
No
Yes
No

Chechen authorities denied the allegations and claimed that there were no gay people in Chechnya.

Sources: The Guardian
Chechen President Ramzan Kadyrov
Chechen President Ramzan Kadyrov
northcaucasusland.wordpress.com
Yes
No
Yes
No

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Portal
May 21, 2017 at 3:45 PM
Ok, here is another try (please take into account that I'm not a statistician, and so I'm might have missed some really obvious problem with my chosen approach): The human rights data project (http://www.humanrightsdata.com/) collect data on human rights from all over the world dating back to 1981. The hypotheses we examine here is that there are concentration camps into which citizens are disappearing, in which they are tortured and killed, all based on their sexual orientation. The human rights data project don't have a "concentration camps" category for countries, but they do have Disappearance, Extrajudicial Killing, Political Imprisonment and Torture (details here:https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxDpF6GQ-6fbY25CYVRIOTJ2MHM/edit). So, I took their data and checked - of all the countries of which there was data on Disappearance, Extrajudicial Killing, Political Imprisonment and Torture in a given year, how many had score of 0 in Disappearance, Political Imprisonment and Torture (a lot of the bad thing) and 1 or 0 in Extrajudicial Killing (at least some)? I've divided the number of said countries by the sample size, checked the average (0.076222759) and the median (0.077922078) and the average specifically for Russia (0.2). Now, just because a country is doing all the those thing it doesn't mean it does it to the same people in a few specific places, so the actual prior for concentration camps is probably lower, but it looks like a good anchor to go down from. here is the data: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18R8hBUTQkSvHqpBBG-iSndDzFLC0ZKlzY54nTrRdNuA/edit?usp=sharing And so, I propose that the starting point would be either less than 8% (6%? 4%?) or slightly higher if we want to take into account that Chechnya is a part of Russia.
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Portal
May 10, 2017 at 4:26 PM
this is a tough one. not because there are a lot of confusion around the topic, but because it touches on a very emotional topic - what is the prior probability of genocide report? now, admittedly, the stated question is not about genocide - "detainment centers" are not necessarily a places of murder (Israel, for example, detain refuges in some random spot of the desert and treat them badly, but doesn't kill them: http://assaf.org.il/en/tags/holot-detention-center) but a. it is still horrible and b. the evidence about Chechnya's camps do claim murder and torture take place there, with some heavy overtures of genocide in the air. So, back to the point - what is the prior probability of a report of genocide being right? I say - very high (90-10? 95-5?) but its a tougher question then it looks - we are going to remember the journalist that expose a genocide more clearly then the one that told outrageous lies about a country they didn't like. Ironically, we might have a case of "Survivorship bias" here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_bias) - remembering the true genocide reports, but not the false one. is there such a thing as a false genocide report? there are people that denies the holocaust and the Armenian genocide, but as far as I know, even they don't (usually) claim that people didn't die, just that the death toll are inflated for political reasons. So, even if the (frankly infuriating and likely false) claims of the two biggest genocide denials moments are correct, than the initial reports of gross human rights violations and murder are still correct. I might be missing some important false positive here (again - because of Survivorship bias) but currently, I give the initial report a very high probability of being right. 96 - 4. if someone think otherwise, please correct my mistakes and offer other prior.
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Rootclaim
May 14, 2017 at 4:55 AM
The reports of detention centers should be included in the evidence. The starting point should calculate the a priori likelihood of detention centers.
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Valentina Stepanova
May 10, 2017 at 9:01 AM
Of course, gay men were held in detention centers and even tortured there. There are lots of evidences: interviews of the escaped people, photos. Here, for instance: Gays' pursuit in Chechnya: tortures, beatings and extortions : https://en.crimerussia.com/gromkie-dela/survivors-in-secret-chechen-prison-for-gays-claim-torture-beatings-and-extortion/ Gay purge in Chechya – Part 2. Repressions against gay men started back in 2009 : https://en.crimerussia.com/gromkie-dela/gay-purge-in-chechya-part-2/ This Russian source claims, there are secret prisons, where gay men are tortured with reference to the victims. Moreover, Putin reacted on this reports, and promised to work together with the Prosecutor's Office regarding the reports of prosecution and tortures. Here is his words translated in English: Persecution of gays in Chechnya: Putin promised to talk with Prosecutor General's Office and MIA Head: https://en.crimerussia.com/gromkie-dela/persecution-of-gays-in-chechnya-putin-promised-to-talk-with-prosecutor-general-s-office-and-mia-head/ So, it's obvious something horrible is happening in Chechnya.
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Rootclaim
May 14, 2017 at 5:49 AM
The reports are considered as part of the evidence, but not all testimony is reported accurately.
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Valentina Stepanova
May 10, 2017 at 8:54 AM
Of course, gay men were held in detention centers and even tortured there. There are lots of evidences: interviews of the escaped people, photos. Here, for instance: Gays' pursuit in Chechnya: tortures, beatings and extortions : https://en.crimerussia.com/gromkie-dela/survivors-in-secret-chechen-prison-for-gays-claim-torture-beatings-and-extortion/ Gay purge in Chechya – Part 2. Repressions against gay men started back in 2009 : https://en.crimerussia.com/gromkie-dela/gay-purge-in-chechya-part-2/ This Russian source claims, there are secret prisons, where gay men are tortured with reference to the victims. Moreover, Putin reacted on this reports, and promised to work together with the Prosecutor's Office regarding the reports of prosecution and tortures. Here is his words translated in English: Persecution of gays in Chechnya: Putin promised to talk with Prosecutor General's Office and MIA Head: https://en.crimerussia.com/gromkie-dela/persecution-of-gays-in-chechnya-putin-promised-to-talk-with-prosecutor-general-s-office-and-mia-head/ So, it's obvious something horrible is happening in Chechnya.
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Rootclaim
May 14, 2017 at 5:48 AM
The reports are considered as part of the evidence, but not all testimony is reported accurately.